| Thread Review for Oy..whats going on 'ere then?? (newest post first) |
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chrisball |
Posted on 10:29 am on Mar. 21, 2002 |
Phew! If I ever woke up thinking that nobody was gossiping about me, then that would be the day that I hang up my keyboard.
All the best,
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mmebahorel |
Posted on 9:39 am on Mar. 21, 2002 |
| Chris, I gossip about you all the time. Just because I don't do it publicly doesn't mean I don't do it at all *g*.
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chrisball |
Posted on 4:44 am on Mar. 21, 2002 |
I'm not a celebrity and nobody gossips about me.
I must be rubbish at what I do!
All the best,
Chris
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Lucy |
Posted on 2:21 pm on Mar. 20, 2002 |
You're not the only people who see this from the other side of the curtain. Acting is a job we have entered into for the love of it and you should have been fully aware that to achieve greatness in this field you have to affect the audience and make them talk about you. Celebrity and gossip are the prices we pay for being good at what we do and if we don't like it we can stop any time we like! Being talked about is not only expected by actors but is also a compliment (even the bad stuff) because the audience were obviously hit by your performance enough to remember it.
The fact we have chosen to join this forum shows that we have enjoyed MFL and it has caused us to think and talk about it which is the biggest compliment a show or an individual could ever recieve. A standing ovation ends when the lights come up but this proves that the impression has lasted.
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chrisball |
Posted on 1:19 pm on Mar. 20, 2002 |
| It's always everybody else and never the individual . . .
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Janet |
Posted on 9:34 am on Mar. 20, 2002 |
I did NOT insinuate that Philip Quast did not deserve his award !! I was doing EXACTLY what other people do on this forum and trying to understand why Jonathan Pryce was peeved.
This is just what I mean .... get off your high horses and read my message again - I was trying to gauge someone elses reaction.
Philip Quast is a wonderful actor with the most amazing singing voice in the world. I adore him.
What is the matter with you all????????
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chrisball |
Posted on 4:52 am on Mar. 20, 2002 |
I fully support mmebahorel's post, and think that she does an excellent defence on behalf of Philip Quast! :-)
Janet, I am sorry that you feel that I was suggesting that your contributions were not permissable. I am not a moderator, so my opinion counts for nothing. Ultimately, you can write what you like and provided that you don't upset the Webmaster or CML, then you will get away with it. The problem I have is with your attitude to the discussion that goes on on this forum. If people want to get serious, then let them. Just start up a "not serious" thread! :-)
Also, interestingly enough and for what it's worth, I too speak from the other side of the curtain (when the curtain allows). For my sins, you'll find me in Spotlight and a paid-up member of Equity. As an actor, I also appreciate the fact that when you perform you are subject to scrutiny. It is human nature to judge and, in my experience, actors are probably more judgemental than most. Of themselves, of other performers, of other productions. We all compare and contrast - it is the joy of theatre. How often do theatre lovers reminisce about the past? How often do epic performances merit comparison with the greats? As an actor/actress, doesn't one try to emulate the greats? Certainly, whilst I would be happy to be known as a jobbing actor, I would LOVE to get the exposure that Pryce, Jennings, McCutcheon and the rest are getting on this forum.
As the old adage goes, there is only one thing worse than people talking about you, and that is people not talking about you.
As a performer you leave yourself open to criticism as much as praise - it's water off a duck's back. The kind of thing that you are talking about gets drummed out of you at drama school. Let's face it, a few discussion points in a public forum are hardly going to make or break an actor are they? I am sure that if anybody said anything personal, intrusive or nasty, they would be censored or banned (and deservedly so) by the operators of this board.
If actors are sensitive about the way people perceive them, then they are either doing a very good or a very bad job. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Similarly, if a performer chooses to act indignantly at an awards ceremony, then they have the choice to do so. I do not know a SINGLE actor who is not FULLY aware of how they carry themselves publicly, and I would argue that only those who are closest to them get to see the real "them". Therefore, any public forum debate is largely irrelevent and highly unlikely to affect them. If we were affected by critics, we wouldn't do the job.
All the best,
Chris
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mmebahorel |
Posted on 3:19 pm on Mar. 19, 2002 |
Don't we have a right to take things as seriously as we like? At this rate, as a student of international relations, I'm not allowed to make judgments in reference to Mr Belasconi's reasons for making an idiot of himself?
I don't like it when people slag off the performers, but I also don't like a forum that accepts only blind praise.
Also, I resent your insinuation that Philip Quast did not deserve the Olivier (or that Mr Pryce believed Mr Quast did not deserve the award) because he had only been in South Pacific since December. I was at the first preview of that production, and while I was not a fan of the show, I was absolutely blown away by Mr Quast's interpretation and execution of the role. I saw that production twice that week, and then saw My Fair Lady that weekend, and I knew, when I saw the nominations, that I would have been hard pressed to decide. I though Mr Quast's performance was as well-thought-out and well-executed as Mr Pryce's performance, and this on a first preview! I respect that you may not have liked either the show itself, or Mr Quast's interpretation of Emile, but length of time in a role has little to do with strength of intepretation. Length of time can actually weaken rather than strengthen a performance (NOT saying that this has happened in any case relevant to this board).
I take my theatre very seriously. If I took it lightly, I wouldn't be moved enough to come join a forum. You have a right not to. But that doesn't mean you have a right to come in here, slag off all of us, and insist that we all conform to your ideas of how a forum should work.
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Janet |
Posted on 3:16 pm on Mar. 19, 2002 |
Without wishing to enter into a slanging match - which I DON'T, I just want to say that like it or not, my contribution to this forum is as permissable as anybody elses.
For what its worth, I'm looking at things from the other side of the curtain, as it were.
I am an actress myself, only being fortunate to appear on the West End stage once, but way back, I was Eliza's understudy in a regional theatre production of 'My Fair lady'.
Actors too, can be sensitive about the way people perceive them, for example I would hate to think that my audiences analyise me, why did I do this or that, or talk about me for hours if I am caught off guard.
I just think that too many people take it all too seriously. Its entertainment, and although one has to get inside the character and so on, the basic idea is to entertain, and give value for money and also of course, for self-satisfaction and love of the theatre.
People tend to get very confused and think that soap stars are real and so on, too much analysis can be a dangerous thing.
Enjoy, but don't delve too deeply, criticise the show if you must, but just don't get too SERIOUS.
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chrisball |
Posted on 2:29 pm on Mar. 18, 2002 |
But Janet, whilst the "Jonathan Pryce should be ashamed" thread was not my number one priority, it is still relevant to the show. (And indeed to whoever wrote it.)
If people want to analyse, over-analyse, slag-off, praise or blindly ignore any aspects of the show (including the performers) that is their choice.
In the same way that you seem to want to dumb all of the posts down to your level, others want to discuss the things that are pertinent to them.
The best thing to do, if you don't want to join in, is to avoid pressing reply. Alternatively, press reply and write something enlightening. Either way, I am sure that people will be less judgemental of you than you have been of others.
All the best,
Chris
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Janet |
Posted on 6:31 am on Mar. 18, 2002 |
Oh dear,oh dear, we are getting our knickers in a twist arn't we?
I was told that constructive criticism is OK on this forum - and yet all I've seen is criticism of the performers - nothing constructive at all, with a few exceptions.
I have not criticised the show at all - not even the awards - NOTHING.
I just think that some people take it all too seriously - a bit like those people you see on sports programmes who go on about why so and so passed the ball and so on - who knows why?
I think its nice to talk about the show, favourite parts,favourite songs etc.etc. But look back at some of the subject titles - Jonathan Pryce should be ashamed springs to mind.
Thats nothing to do with My Fair Lady the show,and its slagging someone off - or is that acceptable because the person got his name right?
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chrisball |
Posted on 4:41 am on Mar. 18, 2002 |
Janet,
I do laugh at humour when I see it.
Unfortunately, asinine and puerile humour does not strike a chord with me. Why on earth would i want to call you "Ganet"? Is that remotely funny?
Seeing a show is all about feeling good, humming tunes and admiring performances.
Seeing a show is also about being able to formulate an opinion afterwards.
Similarly, if people wish to discuss the merits of certain performers, or indeed awards ceremonies, that is their choice isn't it?
To take this thread back a couple of posts, you were the person who chose to come on here and attack the very essence of what this forum is all about.
All the best,
Chris
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Janet |
Posted on 8:17 am on Mar. 17, 2002 |
Well, this just proves my point dosn't it?
A lot of comments on this forum seem to be going on about Jonathan Pryce's reaction to MM winning the Olivier award - if thats not slagging off,I don't know what is ! Its not constructive, thats for sure.
As for Chrisball, well, its a shame you can't laugh at a bit of humour when you see it - you can call me Ganet,I won't mind !! A rose by any other name and all that,I thought this forum needed a bit of humour.
I'm all for constructive criticism, but I have none for this show at all. It fulfills the very object of the whole thing - it makes people go home feeling good, with the songs running through their brains, and memories of fantastic performances in their heads, isn't that what its all about?
The Martine/Jonathan thing is more personal, and I think has been bloated up far too much. Thats what I mean about them being human - Jonathan P was caught by the camera having a bit of a sulk and probably fed up as well because he introduced Martine to Sir Cam and she let him down - plus he lost out on his award to Philip Quast, who has only been in South Pacific since December. I have sympathy with the guy, but he's over it now,I'm sure. His day will come again, because thats life and I'm sure he knows it.
By the way, I've met the cast too - several times, and I wouldn't say anything bad about any of them - not even Martine because I thought she was fabulous as Eliza and a hard act to follow.
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Janet |
Posted on 7:54 am on Mar. 17, 2002 |
see next post
(Edited by Janet at 10:11 am on Mar. 17, 2002)
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chrisball |
Posted on 5:29 am on Mar. 17, 2002 |
Hi Janet,
I think Josh summed up your contribution perfectly.
I have made rather a lot of posts to this forum. Some of them have been positive, some of them have been negative. However, I don't take it seriously at all. I enjoy the conversation that has been flying around on this board.
Did anybody say that the cast aren't human? And what do we need to "get over"?
Thanks for the "fluffball" joke too. It was hilarious. Laugh? I almost fell off my chair. Tell me, are you the classroom nerd who thinks that everybody finds you funny when you deliberately get names wrong?
Read Josh's mail again. It might help you if you want to offer any more pearls of wisdom to the board in future.
All the best,
"Fluff"
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Josh |
Posted on 5:22 pm on Mar. 16, 2002 |
| Janet, I too have just joined this forum. But I have to say, I wonder why you did! Not only was it sour, badly observed and petty, it wasn't even original. Cf the debate further down the page. If you haven't got anything constructive to say, why bother?
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Lucy |
Posted on 1:48 pm on Mar. 16, 2002 |
| I don't think I'm jon's best friend. I barely know the man! We've only met a few times! Yes the cast are human ( I know most of them!) but so are we and so please don't come on here and start verbally bashing us all. This is to discuss My Fair Lady not to discuss (or insult) the people discussing My Fair Lady so please keep to the subject!
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Janet |
Posted on 10:48 am on Mar. 16, 2002 |
I've just joined this forum , and theres Chris and fluffball or somebody,who keep having an arguement and some girl called Lucy who thinks she's Jonathan Pryces best friend !!!!!!
Why do you all take it so seriously???????????
Its entertainment, all the cast are human - get over it!
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